by David Sandstrom 

May 18, 2022

Learn about a 21st-century teeth aligner technology that virtually makes traditional braces obsolete. I talk with On Demand Orthodontist John Warford and his business partner Judd Johns. 

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Today's Guests...

  • Dr John Warford
  • Judd Johns

Topics Discussed...w / Time Stamps

  • 3:45 Oral health linked to numerous health challenges
  • 16:17 Advantages to On Demand Orthodontics
  • 24:10 Expanding the jaw bone with orthodontics
  • 33:52 Amalgam (silver) fillings 36:19 Flouride


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David Sandstrom 0:00
Welcome to the Natural Health Matters podcast where it's all about maximizing your health potential so that you can look and feel your best at any age. I'm your host, David Sandstrom, Naturopathic Doctor and Biblical Health Coach. And this is episode number 77. Hi natural Nation. Today I have in the show with me two guests, John's and Dr. John Warford. Dr. John Warford is an ODO or On- Demand Orthodontist. Now, in the published medical literature, there's a strong connection between oral health and our physical vitality in general, as if our oral health suffers than our health and wellness will suffer as well. We'll talk about some of those connections in the published literature in this episode. Now, if you've been listening to this show for any length of time, you know that I believe we maximize our health potential by aligning our lives more fully with God's natural designed for spirit, mind and body. And in this episode, we're talking about literally aligning our teeth in our jaw bones to work the way God designed. Our teeth is supposed to mesh together like a gear and a cog or a hand in a glove. And if our teeth and Jawbone are out of alignment, that can pose problems for us down the road. So some people can benefit a great deal from orthodontic treatment. Dr. John uses 21st century technology, and he can treat you he can be your orthodontist, no matter where you are in the world. He uses online technology with aligners, and there'll be a local dentist to do the physical stuff. But John is your orthodontist, and he does all the the orthodontic work that needs to be done and you use the aligners you change about once a week. And the technology is just fascinating. And I think you're gonna really enjoy this conversation. And we also talk about towards the end, mercury amalgam fillings, and the use of fluoride. So this is an information packed episode. I really enjoyed this conversation. And I think you're going to find this technology and this conversation fascinating. So let's jump right into my conversation with Judge John's and Dr. John Warford. Today, we have in the show two guests. One is Judge John's, and Judd is an expert in on demand orthodontist. And we have another expert. His name is John Warford, who is also very much an expert. So John Judd, I'd like you to please introduce John,

Judd Johns 2:24
You got it. So my name is Judd John's. We know each other very well. David's pleasure to be here. And the president of a company called On Demand Orthodontist that on demand orthodontist is Dr. John Warford, who's on the other line here with us today. Dr. John has been a practicing orthodontist for 18 years based out of Bismarck, North Dakota, he can give you details on his practice, but he is it's got a very special practice. It's 92% aligner practice over 500 cases a year. And what makes Dr. John so unique as he's he's found a path to treat patients virtually with far fewer appointments, or shorter treatment time with the same beautiful results that patients come to expect over the years. He graduated from University of Missouri in Kansas City, ortho school, and University of Minnesota dental school. And he's been published in the American Journal of orthodontics, trade magazine, and is a key opinion leader for Ormco Orthodontics and dental monitoring. He's nice guy, Midwestern. nice and pleasure to work with him.

David Sandstrom 3:42
John, welcome to Natural Health Matters.

Dr. John Warford 3:44
Hey, thank you, David.

David Sandstrom 3:45
Thank you for being here. Well, I wanted to start off the show people are probably wondering, I want to listen to a podcast about health and wellness. But why are we talking about orthodontics? Well, the reason why is because Oral Health has a lot to do with health in general. And I just wanted to point out a couple of articles from the published literature got a couple of studies here that I found. The first one is a journal article published in the journal artherosclerosis, which points out that oral health has been associated with cardiovascular disease. And the conclusions in this article saying that the number of teeth and the number of deep pockets which are both measures of periodontal disease, were significantly rated related to future cardiovascular disease. And that's a peer reviewed journal out of out of England, I believe. And here's another study associating oral health with diabetes. And this journal was the British dental journal. The results identified a number of systemic reviews of low and high quality, suggesting that diabetes is associated With with periodontal disease, tooth loss and oral cancer in particular, and the management of oral diseases, most notably, periodontal care has a short term beneficial influence on metabolic outcomes related to diabetes. So, oral health is associated with heart disease and diabetes, as well as dementia which I'll show you another article here. And again, this one is the British dental journal. And this study was published in 2018. And these researchers said, The results suggest that poor oral hygiene is associated with dementia, and more so amongst people in advanced stages of the disease, sub optimal oral health, Gingivitis, dental caries tooth loss. And John, you gotta help me with this one, endo to lose this. Am I saying that right?

Dr. John Warford 5:51
Yeah. enduntulousness. Okay, so that's loss of teeth. edentulous.

David Sandstrom 5:58
Okay, so periodontal disease appears to be associated with increased risk of developing cognitive impairment and dementia. So that's a pretty astounding finding. Shocking. And the last one is, it's associated with lung disease, pulmonary disease. So let's look at this one. Again, we're talking about the British dental journal. This study was published in 2017. And here's what this one has to say the results identified a number of systemic reviews of medium to high quality, which provide evidence that oral health and oral hygiene habits have an impact on incidence and outcome of lung diseases, such as pneumonia, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. So, here we have in the published medical literature, an association between oral health and heart disease, diabetes, dementia, and lung disease. And it's pretty, a lot of people haven't made that connection. But it's there nonetheless. And I would suggest just real quick, I don't want to take up the whole time with here with the introduction here. Now understand, association is not causation, right? It's something might be correlated with oral health. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's the cause. But the connection here, I believe, is so strong, that it didn't take me a long time to find these articles, that the connection is so strong that we shouldn't ignore the Natural Nation should be the Natural Nation should be very interested in this information. I think this is one of the reasons why our energy meridians that the body has all run through the teeth. And here's a chart that shows the association of certain organs with certain teeth. So the incisors up front here. So she had a kidney bladder on it, you can see this John, again, liver, liver and bladder over here, these molars associated with the pancreas and the stomach, the rear molar here, heart disease. Because of the connection between this energy flow, and oral health, I think that explains a lot of why oral health is associated with so many different conditions. So I'll put links to all this stuff in the show notes, if you care to look at that on your own. And if you're watching, I mean, if you're listening on the audio podcast, it's now available on YouTube, and the website in videos, one of my first video podcasts, so excuse me to the clumsiness on the on the tech issues here. But thoughts on any of that, John?

Dr. John Warford 8:21
Oh, yeah, I've got got quite a few. Well, the, you know, not having looked at the actual data. And any of those articles, it's long been known that straighter teeth, for example, are easier to keep clean teeth are easier to keep clean are, are such that people's bacterial levels are different in their mouth than someone who's not taking care of their teeth. And so every time someone flosses, there's usually some sort of a slight transient bacteremia that's caused and you don't want to be getting unhealthy bacteria in your blood. And so this is well known for people that have had heart problems or some implant issues where they need to be pre medicated before they have dental procedures. But I think that the systemic health and oral health thing is very, very interesting. There's a lot of evidence now that there's a sort of a gut to oral health connection as well, you know, the that we know of I know what that when I was in, you know, my undergrad and in dental school, we were always taught that the vagus nerve cranial nerve number can goes from your brain to your intestines and your gut, if you will. And that your brain gives your gut information and instructions on what to do. But now we actually know that 90% of those fibers actually go from your gut back to your brain. So that's the gut brain connection is a kind of a cliche term that's kind of really thrown out a lot more these days. But there's also more and more evidence that there's a signaling pathways between your oral health and your gut health so many people are thinking that your oral health is a sign of systemic health. Which is something that really concerns me when you see many kids these days especially where their their overall systemic health are too young to have really lived through and are showing any of those symptoms. However, at the same time, they have this underlying condition that's undiagnosed, whether it's significant caries, or whether it's, you know, significant gingivitis or periodontitis is something that's going to eventually catch up to them later, then things like diabetes, and the long term cognitive issues. Some people think that some of the Alzheimer's is almost like a type three diabetes. And so, you know, the is very well known that sugar and your oral environment are known as you know, most people know that sugar is something that the bad bacteria, if you will, in your oral environment, they like eat those sugars. And then they have their own cascade of problems that they cause. But I think it's a lot deeper than that. And we're really just getting to the, to the kind of getting into the the true connections as we get more and more into the oral cavity and gut connection. Another health thing that might be a little bit more obscure, but I think is even more important is the connection between your teeth, the look of your teeth, and then the psychological connection, there's evolved there. Many people don't know that from a embryology perspective, your, your upper four front teeth, the smiling teeth, if you will, number seven through 10. They derived from the same and nerve layer, that embryologic layer as does your central nervous system. So the fact that there's some sort of a connection embryologic connection between your smile and your central nervous system or your brain and your spinal cord is something that many people find, you know, interesting as well.

David Sandstrom 11:49
Yeah, yeah, this that's really fascinating. The way the body the body is so complex, and everything is interrelated and interconnected. It's just amazing to me when you when you study anatomy, physiology, really, as well. John, how did you get into orthodontics to begin with?

Dr. John Warford 12:05
My father is an orthodontist. He started to practice in Bismarck in 1973. I grew up thinking I wanted to be a medical doctor. But most of the physicians I studied under and shadowed in the early 90s said, Do it your duty dad does don't don't go to go to medical school. And I'm certainly glad that I didn't have a some aptitudes when it comes to spatial skills, and hand eye coordination etc. And so I dentistry in general, and orthodontics really allowed me to you know, use those aptitudes, which makes for you know, a more satisfying life. But I went into dental school knowing that I wasn't necessarily going to be an orthodontist, it's very slim chance of getting orthodontics these days, as opposed to when my dad was going back to school, it was so challenging to be an orthodontist that almost no one wanted to do it, for example, to get braces on it take three to four hours. It was a very, very laborious procedure. So you know, I love orthodontics, I'm glad that I got in to have the opportunity to become an orthodontist. And, you know, I like to say that one of the most fulfilling things for me is that we're moving more than teeth. And you know, the whole psychological aspect of it, you know, providing providing straight teeth, but it's a lot more than that, you know, providing competence, new possibilities, you know, a different future. And even, you know, well known, you know, journals like the Harvard Business Review, 10 years ago, had an article that said that kids that have had orthodontics and have straight teeth, they make on average, a quarter million dollars more over their working life and those that have not, and so, wow, that's staggering. Yeah. So I mean, people that if you're more confident your smile, and I see, and I see these changes all the time, you know, sometimes it's, you know, it's a 13 or 14 year old, sometimes it's a 50 year old, sometimes a seven year old, I've got a patient 72 years old, that smiled for the first time in her life for a photo last month, and she's 72 years old. And so if you so think of the impact that makes on someone, and I mean the stories that she has to tell about how her smile, held her back for all of her life, and now she's finally doing something about it. I mean, it's, it's a very, it's a very special place to be knowing that you are having, you know, you know, the hands of God in some ways, you know, if you will, of him being able to change these lives, it's, it's, it's really extraordinary. And I think that people really, really underestimate the connection, the psychological connection, because I think for a lot of people, it's, I think that it's, it's buried in what, in some ways, you know, and I have a 52 year old male ICU nurse comes in, and he just loses it starts crying and he says, My smile has held me back for all of my life and I'm 52 years old, you know, so, so those so there's there's a systemic connection, but there's my point is that there's no extraordinary, extraordinary psychic connection between you know how someone's teeth feel and how someone's teeth make them feel and it's it makes orthodontics really extraordinary. Which is leads me back to originally why the great thing about ODO or On Demand Orthodontist is how we are able to bring this to more people with this sort of underlying drive and intention. That's what our intention is, is just to try to, you know, move more than teeth and to change lives. That's what we're trying to do.

David Sandstrom 15:31
That is fantastic. Thank you for sharing that John. And I just wanted to point out, this is a Natural Health Matters. And I believe that human beings are spirit, we have a mind, and we live in a body and we cannot ignore that mental emotional component, because the things that we feel because our minds will send instructions to our brains, and as you alluded to earlier, our brains run our bodies. So the mental emotional component has a lot to do with our, our health outcomes on a physical level. Yeah. So Georgia had this this question I have for you, when people think about braces, they think about brackets and wires. But I know John doesn't really lean on that he's got he's got a new approach and embracing new technology. Could you talk a little bit about that new technology and what kind of problems it solves? Sure.

Judd Johns 16:17
So yeah, as Dr. John that's solved in open my eyes originally, I've worked in orthodontic industry for about 11 years, most formally, at a formidable orthodontic OEM, one of the biggest in the world and manufactures brackets and wires. And there I was a sales rep for some years and more to product management led that group and developed products and was fortunate to work with a lot of outstanding orthodontists, many of whom were inventors of very popular bracket and wire systems. And in you know, I was very much immersed in that community before I joined most recently, Spark aligners, an orthodontic OEM, which is partner company to Ormco. There I met Dr. Warford, and kind of the journey took off. But, you know, I had heavy cognitive biases on what I thought clear aligners could and could not do. And what I thought brackets and wires could and could not do. I think that there's, you know, there's a this this industry is not dissimilar from any other industry, there's, there's people that went to school, they're specialists, and you know, to go and learn clear aligner therapy. It's, it's in many ways for an orthodontist, or even a dentist, it's like learning a new language, in what I've noticed in universities in the orthodontic community, is that it's, at least historically, up until recently, it's heavily bracket and wire focused. And these are the disciplines that come out. And so if you get in a rhythm with swinging the Golf Club in one way, you know, it's got to take a lot of things for you to want to change your golf swing or even your clubs and you know, way you do things, especially when you know that you can consistently play a good golf game. Right, right. What's fascinating about the aligner community and the more I immerse is, there's a material Delta in quality of Orthodontists as far as how they treat aligner cases. And because as Dr. John will say, these procedures are done over the computer, as opposed to a tensile movement in the human mouth, whereas you go into the orthodontist, and they line up your braces on your teeth, they put it in the FA point of your tooth, and they put an arch wire in there. And then arch wire usually has elastic thermal properties to pull your teeth in the same direction that the wires are shaped. And one thing that I learned straight away with aligners is that you can move each tooth independently, as you would prefer it to be moved. But in the foot in order to dictate those terms of treatment. One has to have a fundamental understanding of the systems in the computer that are required to move that move the tooth and to know that there's going to be a contraindication for every tooth movement you you're going for. And I think this is a reason why the aligner community became so fascinating to me, because there just aren't that many world class aligner orthodontist out there there are there are aligner orthodontics out there to treat a lot of aligner click cases. Dr. John, what drew me to him is he's treated over 4000 aligner cases, but he set every last one of them up in the software. This is uncommon. This is a lesser known thing out there for orthodontists. So you it's so you know, we say in ODO experience matters. It's those aren't words or when those aren't just words. This this is this is the man that setting up with his systems. And so when I started to make some discovery and to learn, while you can really extrude a lateral with an aligner, while you can really get transverse these beautiful wide Hollywood smiles with an aligner. And oh, by the way, aligners are clear. And oh, with this fascinating technology, dental monitoring, you can actually use it to treat remotely because it isn't a tensile thing. And you can just drop ship trays right to the patient. It unlocks this whole other realm of possibilities, because everything you're doing aligner is completely customized.

David Sandstrom 20:32
Yeah, that's really incredible. You know, I'm thinking back to school. I graduated with a with a bachelor's degree in 87, and a master's in 89. Well, word processing, as software was just coming out. I went through all high school and all my college writing out my papers, and making him corrections. And the last year my senior year, my MBA program, I got a word processor was a big, huge, it took up the whole desk, it was a Brother machine. And but man, and it had like a two line display. And I could see Well, four words at a time. But that was night and day better than what I did with the typewriter and handwriting. And I'm thinking about that, as compared to wires and brackets and the technology you're talking about here. It's just amazing. And I want you I want the audience to know what's the Natural Nation to know that I didn't just read this in the book, John didn't just read it in book and judge it and just read it. We actually believe in this stuff. My daughter is 18 years old. She's a senior in high school. She is wearing the aligners right now in jug your wife. Shar she's wearing them as well. Right.

Judd Johns 21:35
Right. And our dentist, by way with concert with Dr. Warford are treating my wife and your daughter.

David Sandstrom 21:42
Yeah, it's really amazing. And, and I only met John today. And it's amazing that he's treating my daughter, and it's so much more effective than a traditional orthodontics is just, it blows me away, or it really does. It's my contention that we maximize our health potential when we align our lives more fully with God's natural design, or spirit, mind and body, while God's designed for our body is that our teeth mesh properly, like two gears and machine fitting together. And when we chew that, that has impact on our health, because when when the teeth are mal aligned, that affects the nervous system health, as any chiropractor will tell you, if you're if you're experiencing a subluxation of the spine or a mental misalignment in the spine, that will interfere with energy flow throughout the body and ultimately the organs which will impact your health. I believe the same is true with your mouth. Would you agree with that?

Dr. John Warford 22:36
Yeah, absolutely. In a lot of different ways. You one is, you know, you're right, you know, the, you know, the teeth were designed to fit in a certain way. And in you know, with with normal variation, Urban's teeth are slightly different shapes, but teeth that don't fit properly, they tend to abnormally where sometimes they can cause you know, the, if you have an uncomfortable bite, it can cause other skeletal muscle, skeletal muscular issues. And, you know, some of the biggest ones are longevity, you know, if teeth don't fit properly, they don't fit the way that they're supposed to the the forces that, you know, can cause teeth to move in certain ways. I just last week, had an 83 year old patient in and said, I just noticed that my teeth aren't hitting real hard in the front, and this, this front tooth kind of is now sticking out. Or it can cause you know, longevity issues with, you know, the gum tissue, the supporting bone, etc. From the teeth hitting too hard and flexing in the wrong way. So proper loading of the teeth. And, you know, having the loads on the teeth that are appropriate for the back teeth hitting harder than the front teeth as an example, are very important in from a perspective of longevity of the teeth, as well as you know, other things such as, you know, overall harmony, if you will, and, you know, and comfort and lifestyle.

David Sandstrom 23:58
Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. So, there's a lot of information out there about orthodontics and the connection to airway and how important breathing is to health. Could you speak to that for a minute, John?

Dr. John Warford 24:10
Yeah, you know, airway is very important. It's, you know, it's, it's more complicated subject than just the oral cavity, for example, you know, there's a lot of things that comes to the, you know, the, the pharynx, and larynx as well as, you know, the nasal cavity, etc. But there's is some evidence suggests that getting, you know, proper expansion of the maxilla and the associated bones at the appropriate time, allows for, you know, proper development of the mandible, which is your lower jaw, and if your lower jaw is allowed to develop more anteriorly or more forward, you know, it's allows for a more open airway. And so we do, we do this sort of as a byproduct of of having teeth that don't fit right we treat airway is all the time. And sometimes in later later in life, we treat with orthodontics we treat airways many times as a conjunction with oral surgery to bring the both upper and lower jaws forward to open up the airway to alleviate things like, you know, sleep apnea, etc, which can be, you know, literally life altering events.

David Sandstrom 25:20
Yeah. Would you say that the younger you start that treatment, the better?

Dr. John Warford 25:25
Yeah. Yeah, you know, the we can the neat thing about treating younger kids and I'm, I've always been a proponent of early treatment. The American Association of orthodontics has now for decades suggested that people have their children seen by age seven is what they say, I kind of temper that a little bit, even though by age, is my URL that I got about 12 years ago, I thought that was a good idea. You know, when you, you know, 7-8-9 years old, and you're still in what's called an early mixed dentition, when you have mostly baby teeth. Your research has shown that man, you can really with very gentle forces, and it doesn't need to be heavy forces, you can really get a lot of change to the bone 10-11 years ago, now, my, my oldest daughter, Judd, and my friend named Scott gave me the idea from prominent orthodontist in Minneapolis. And he said, you know, she's not using the expanders anymore, she's just putting braces on the teeth. And I thought to myself, Man, I've been expanding teenagers and adults without expanders for years, I just never thought of doing it on a young kid. So my first my oldest, oldest daughter, at the time, she's six and a half, I put braces on mostly baby teeth. And yeah, she was a test subject, although she had had crowding. I was amazed that my lightest wire in two weeks was expanding her teeth. And I thought to myself, for all of these years, I've been pushing and pulling and putting all these heavy forces, even though the way that my father and I did it was considered extraordinarily gentle compared to, you know, compared to most people. And, you know, we found that he even needed a lighter forces to it to get maximum impact than we thought. So, I mean, the reality is that, you know, the younger you treat the lighter it can be with aligners. I treat some of the very young patients in the liners and they can get away with just wearing them at nighttime only, and just dramatic results with really very little impact on their life. Which is, which is really neat. Because, you know, you don't want to be, you know, putting too much on, you know, a 7-8-9 year old any more than you need to. So it's, it's very, very effective.

David Sandstrom 27:40
Well, you know, our regular dentists, I had them, look at my oldest, my number two daughter, her name is Rachel. And he said her teeth look great. I don't think she needs orthodontic work. But I was looking at him. I said, you know, Rachel, I think it might be worth going to an orthodontist and getting an opinion. So we went, and she was 18 years old, and a senior in high school. And the orthodontist said, oh, yeah, sure. Let me let me show you these pictures. You know, she has a, you know, a mal misaligned teeth. And she could definitely benefit from braces. And Rachel on the drive home. She was just so sad. That she said, Dad, I do not want to have braces on for my senior pictures. Well, you know, it is what it is. And then I started talking to Judd, and I knew Joe was into this field is like, Oh, well, why don't we just look into aligners. You know, John is a very, very, very good at doing this long distance. And I didn't even know that it was done. distance, distance healthcare. I didn't even know it was done that way, then. And she got them. And the first day she was kind of like, I don't know about this, but it took maybe two or three days. And she was into it. And now she's doing our scans. And, and she's, she's just doing great. And if you're more than five, six feet away, you don't even know she's wearing anything you can't even tell. So could you speak a little bit? Just mentioned this a little bit, but can you kind of expand upon the idea of of the problems that you solve by doing? What an on demand orthodontist solves?

Dr. John Warford 29:08
Well, the number one problem is that, you know, as Juff alluded to earlier, is that, you know, aligners are an expensive thing to learn how to how to treat, not a treat with and so as I say in my presentations is my my, you know, my most expensive tuition. By far my life has been how to learn how to treat with aligners, because you're paying that high lab fee to a billion dollar company. And so, you know, billion dollar companies don't become billion dollar companies by giving a lot of price breaks. And so it's very expensive thing to do. And also, like Jen said, you're very comfortable with something that you know, works and embraces do work. I mean, I've done it 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of times, and it's just that we were always looking for ways to do things better. And the way I explained it is that braces are not very smart compared to aligners. You know, aligners, you can program, as Jed said, everything you you move this move that don't move this don't move that do this first then do that. Do this in this way. And braces aren't nearly as programmable as as aligners are. And so aligners are a wonderful thing. But most orthodontist, and most dentists that do orthodontic treatment, they, they either don't know how to do aligners real well, or they, or they just, they just kind of do it for the easiest case is the ones that are kind of the layups, which is a whole nother conversation in and of itself. But, and the reason is, because aligner companies are good at doing two things one is making movies have teeth moving. And when you see the teeth move on a computer screen, you think, Oh, that's amazing, it's going to go just like that. But the problem is that teeth don't watch movies. And so you still need to have very sound biomechanical principles, and do things in a certain way. And plastic is different than brackets and wires, you know, very similar in a lot of ways in order to do things effectively. And so, you know, 12 years of, you know, doing, you know, more and more and more and more aligners in my original impetus was it was because I live in a very reasonably rural area. And many of our patients drive two or three hours one way for an appointment. So, if over half of your patients are driving an hour or more for an appointment, you real quickly want to figure out a way to make that as easy as possible on them, which is why I kind of jumped on the the aligner wagon train, if you will, back in, 08-09 and really tried to learn it myself. And I've been through a lot of iterations of it. And we've gotten to the point now, when we have, you know, we've got our way of doing things. And you know, when dental monitoring came by, and you know, we started using that in 2018, I realized that I'm not an orthodontist, when I'm in front of the patient anymore. I'm an orthodontist when I'm on the computer. And so if I can see what a patient's teeth are looking like, every three days if I want to, usually it's seven days, but we can get that real time feedback. And we know exactly how things are going. We can provide even better orthodontic treatment, and I don't need to be in front of the patient in order to do that. And what we're asking these partner dentists is very, very easy dental procedures far easier than what they they do on a daily basis. The hard part is the what's going on in the orthodontists mind and on the computer and on the design, which is very, very technical, very fun and very fascinating. Just in order to, you know, to plan out, I was going to want to do this and this and this and sort of gameplan everything from day one as best you can. So it's, it's very cool. It's very cutting edge, but it allows us to bring, you know, I'm rather humble person, but my expertise which is which is rather rather accomplished to you know, to people that are having struggles or want to provide aligner treatments more of their patients.

David Sandstrom 33:04
John, can any dentist who is a DDS learn this procedure learn this technique and work with you?

Dr. John Warford 33:11
Oh, yeah, yeah, they they're usually very surprised at how easy it really is, you know, the, the the hands on dental procedure, many times, the start of it can be outsourced to a staff member, depending on the state laws. But it's it's far easier than filling a cavity for them.

David Sandstrom 33:30
We watched that the local dentist is working with my daughter. Do what put the initial initial visit when you put the liners on. And it really wasn't all that involved. She was probably in the chair for about 30 minutes. It wasn't wasn't a big deal. And yeah, so Well, this guy has skills. He's a he's a doctor of dental surgery. This looks like a pretty easy procedure for him. And I think it was, you know, there's another thing I want to touch on. We can't talk about oral health without mentioning amalgam fillings. If If once the the amalgam is in place, it's going to release very, very slowly. But it is a very toxic substance. It's my understanding that mercury is the second most toxic substance on planet Earth. The only thing that exceeds that in toxicity is uranium. They used to make nuclear weapons. So John, correct me if I'm wrong on this, I might be in left field but you're the expert. If if an amalgam filling is removed properly, in average sign size filling and you threw that thing you didn't dispose of it properly. You just threw it in a three acre lake. The the Department of Health will come along if they measured the mercury levels in that lake. They'd say no swimming. You cannot swim in this lake. It's it's toxic. But as long as that amalgam filling is inside the mouth, it's okay. That sounds crazy to me. Am I out and left field John?

Dr. John Warford 34:48
No, you're not. I can only provide brief commentary because I haven't placed an amalgam filling in over 20 years. And even back then it was a very, very The hot button issue. And so I don't know, the three acre lake analogy exactly, but I do know that it's a, they're being used less and less. They, you know, every restoration has its pros and its cons. But the you know, and and, you know, the use this analogy last week because if you want, if you want, you know, five opinions asked for dentists, right? I mean, it's you know, and the same things with Orthodontist everybody's got their different way of making chocolate chip cookies. So yeah, there's a lot of information out there, there's a lot of move movement towards natural, you know, dental natural dentistry, depending on the state that, you know, that's a very different thing. But I think you're doing your due diligence and really, kind of getting a good connection with your dentist whether or not you decide, you know, what restorations to do and or what restorations to remove. I know that, you know, a dental amalgam when removed is, is very highly regulated, that special, you know, special procedures and special, you know, suction equipment, etc, to make sure that things are done in a very safe manner. But again, that's not really my my field because it was 20-21 years ago is last time I placed an amalgam.

David Sandstrom 36:19
So for anybody listening, if they want to get their amalgam fillings removed, don't go to a regular dentist that just grinds them out. You're asking for more trouble, you're better off leaving the thing intact and doing that. One last thing I'd like to share a quick story. I don't use fluoride, I don't have I don't use fluoride in my toothpaste. I filter it out of my drinking water at the house. And years ago, I was at the dentist getting a cleaning. And I got my teeth clean. And one of my daughters was with me getting her teeth cleaned. And they said well, it's time for her fluoride treatment. I said, I will pass on that. She said why? I said, Well, you know, fluoride is a toxic substance. And I prefer not to put that in my kid's mouth. She said, she paused for a second. She said I want to you know, I can tell her she was thinking, I wonder if I could share this with them. Then she says, you know, you're right. Half the kids that we do this fluoride treatment with, they throw up before they leave the office. So that's pretty staggering. And, you know, if you just look at a tuba Crest toothpaste, there'll be a warning on the back of that thing that says if you ingest more than the amount on a on a toothbrush, call your poison control center. So it's a toxic substance. And you know, right here and here in the National nation, we try to try to minimize our exposure to toxins. So avoiding fluoride is in my estimation, a good idea.

Judd Johns 37:38
That's I assume where they suggest spitting rather than swallowing. Listerine?

David Sandstrom 37:44
Yeah, yes. Yeah. So John, do you have anything else you'd like to share?

Dr. John Warford 37:51
Let's see. No, I think I've got unless John's got anything that I didn't hit? You know, I've got I can get a lot of things I can talk about. So whenever you guys

Judd Johns 37:58
have Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of topics here where we can go deeper that are just wonderful conversations, particularly airway. That's just a great conversation. And there's there's a really interesting psychological component. I think that goes deeper and talks about, you know, what happens there and people and, you know, the smile reveal and all those things, but could be not for another day. But for me, it's been a pleasure to visit with you and Dr. John today. Yeah.

David Sandstrom 38:29
Thanks for being here. Dr. John, if someone wants to get a hold of you learn more about you. What's the best way to do that?

Dr. John Warford 38:37
The best way right now with regards to this is on And you can get a hold of us there.

Judd Johns 38:45
That's an orthodontist with a t on demand orthodontist.

David Sandstrom 38:50
Very good. All right. Thank you, Dr. John. Thank you, Judd.

Dr. John Warford 38:54
Hey, thank you, David. Appreciate it,

David Sandstrom 38:56
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I want to help you maximize your health potential so you can look and feel your best at any age. We do this by aligning our lives more fully with God's natural design for our spirit, mind, and body. I've been helping people maximize their health potential since 2005.

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