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David Sandstrom 0:00
Here's a sample of what you'll hear on this episode of holistic health matters.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 0:06
Found out most everything I learned in my dietetics program was completely outdated based on bad information, and that I was actually eating myself into death.

David Sandstrom 0:18
Welcome to the holistic health matters podcast where it's all about maximizing health potential in body, mind and spirit, so that we can pursue the abundant life more effectively. I'm your host, David Sandstrom, naturopathic doctor and biblical health coach, and this is episode number 34.

David Sandstrom 0:40
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David Sandstrom 1:44
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David Sandstrom 3:05
Today we have in the show a very interesting person. Her name is Jackie Nelson Walburn. She has an amazing story with a dramatic turnaround in her own health. She was suffering from more than 15 different conditions including kidney failure, diabetes, chronic fatigue, eczema, allergies, asthma, arthritis, obesity, and more. Now she had a Bachelor's in nutrition and dietetics. But what she discovered was what she was taught in school wasn't going to help her. She went to the doctor and the doctors told her that she's just getting old. So she set out to learn all she could about natural and holistic health on her own. And one by one all the conditions she was suffering from just went away. Now she's a holistic health coach with a focus on nutrition, and she helps other people recover their health as well. I think you're going to be inspired by her story. So let's jump right into my conversation with Jackie Nelson Walborn. Jackie, welcome to Holistic Health Matters.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 4:09
Hey, thank you for inviting me. I'm so honored to be here.

David Sandstrom 4:12
It's my pleasure. Tell us a little bit about yourself. What was your journey like getting into natural and holistic health?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 4:18
Well, you know, I've been having symptoms most of my life didn't know what they were or how they were related to anything. But when I got older and I went through menopause, all of a sudden, all these health issues started accumulating on me to the point of which I had 15 different conditions that were taking me down and taking me out. And I basically was looking at five or six years to live five years ago. my kidneys were failing. I was at almost stage four. I was urinating blood, Mike, my liver was failing. I had diabetes, I had obesity, I had chronic fatigue. I had eczema, I had allergies, asthma. arthritis. I mean, the list just goes on and on. Oh my goodness, I kept going to the doctor saying my blood sugar is going up every year, my blood sugar is going up every year, what's the problem? What's going on? What can I do to stop this? Telling them all my things and the regular doctors say, there's nothing we can do for you. There's nothing we can do for you, you're just getting older. Finally, when I hit diabetes, I said, that's it. I've had enough, I need to find a solution for myself. And so then I dove into all the research. And since I have a science, a Bachelors of Science degree in nutrition, I decided to go in after that. And I found all this research and found out most everything I learned in my dietetics program was completely outdated, based on bad information, and that I was actually eating myself into death.

David Sandstrom 5:52
Give us an example of something that was outdated that you learned in your bachelor's degree.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 5:57
Well, when I went through my dietetics program, they were teaching the food pyramid, which many of us were related to as far as what we grew up with, because for 50 years, they push this food pyramid on everybody that was high in grains and carbohydrate diet, right. And what we found out recently, as far as the research goes, is that the guy who did the study, his name is Keys, he was commissioned by the government, he was the low, the low fat guy. He was commissioned by the government to come up with a nutrition plan for everybody to get our health, he did a study of 50 different countries, and started checking what they were eating and who was healthy, and so on, and so forth. And he was sure that the low fat high carb diet was the answer. So he dropped all the countries that didn't fit that parameter out of the study, and only kept the ones that fit his narrative, right. And then he designed the food pyramid based on that, not realizing that not everybody can handle all those grains, very few people can handle all those grains,

David Sandstrom 7:11
Right, the guy you're referring to is Dr. ancel keys. And he was a very dynamic personality, very influential. And he started out with 25 countries in his study, and ended up publishing his seven countries study and he eliminated the ones that didn't support his hypothesis. And that was that when we consume saturated fat, it's like pouring cold water on fat and trying to flush it down the drain in the sink that is going to clog up your arteries. A lot of problems with that hypothesis, right? human body is not a sink. It's not a drain pipe. fats and oils behave very, very differently inside the human body than they do a drain pipe.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 7:48
Well, it's not just that it's all foods, because we've been taught to think that it's calories in calories out, which does not give you quality versus quantity. That's like saying that if you eat only 1000 calories of Twinkies every day is the same thing as 1000 calories worth of apples every day. When your body is not a physics lab, it's actually a biochemistry lab, and your body is going to do different things with what you eat, depending on what it needs.

David Sandstrom 8:22
You know, it's pretty amazing how many people have bought into that theory, though, isn't it? You know, it's it's a great school kid could figure that out that calorie from a banana is not the same as a calorie from a potato is not the same as a calorie from a T bone steak. But that's what the medical science has been teaching the dog by that they've been preaching for a lot of years, hasn't it?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 8:44
Oh my gosh, it's been again, ever since I even started studying. I mean, 40 years ago, when I went through dietetics. That's exactly what they taught and how to help people lose weight. And that was the paradigm and the paradigm is still there. There's still people still pushing that. Yeah, doctors included, telling you to eat less exercise more when it's a complete farce,

David Sandstrom 9:07
right? Yep. human body is far more complicated than that.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 9:11
I actually eat more now. And I lost 90 pounds.

David Sandstrom 9:15
So what was the main thing you did to help you recover from all the things you were suffering from?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 9:22
I had to give up all forms of gluten, all grains, I had to reduce my carbohydrate intake down and I had to get rid of dairy until I did all the research and I really reading the research. I'm like, this can't be right. This can't be right. This is against everything I believe everything I ever taught, and so on. And basically I said, Okay, I'll do an experiment to prove it. And so I eliminated gluten to start with seeing Okay, let's see if this works. And I just eliminated weekly to start with. And it was like I lost 20 pounds in 30 days. Wow. And I started feeling fabulous. And it's like oh, My god, I'm like, okay, what's next? So I went to the next thing, which were all grains that have some form of gluten in them. And then I lost another 20 pounds in 60 days when I gave up all grains, because they all have a form of gluten in them or cross react as gluten in the body if you're sensitive. And then I'm like, okay, what's next? And I went, Okay, low carb, okay, maybe my body is carbohydrate intolerant. Maybe I'll try doing that. So I dropped my carbs down into a keto range. And I lost another 20 pounds in 60 days. And it was like an all my conditions are now starting to reverse and go away and disappear. And then I said, Okay, what's left? And I went, Okay, dairy. Oh, gosh, that's the hardest one, because cheese is like my favorite food in the whole wide world, what am I going to do? And I was using whey protein. And so I'm like, Okay, I'll try vegan cheese. And go away from that. And I'll switch over to almond milk. And I'll switch over a bone broth protein powder instead of a whey protein powder. And I lost 30 pounds in 60 days, just from getting rid of dairy.

David Sandstrom 11:13
Wow. So we have 30,30,20,20. You I mean, I'm trying to add it up here and trying to do the math is about 100 pounds, you lost

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 11:20
on 90 pounds, it was 2020 2030. So I lost 90 pounds, okay, now maintain that loss for the last five years.

David Sandstrom 11:28
Excellent, good for you, and how you feeling?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 11:31
I feel better than I have since I was in high school.

David Sandstrom 11:33
That's awesome.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 11:35
I have more energy, I have more vitality, all the brain fog, depression, all sorts of things that I was going through all have gone. I mean, they're just not there anymore. It's fabulous. I just love the world I have full of life and love and happiness and joy. And it's just incredible that it could make that much of a difference.

David Sandstrom 11:57
Well, that's a really inspirational story, Jackie. And I want to get into more of the details. But I just wanted to share this and that for the listeners, the regular listeners of the program. They know this, but I wanted to share this with you is for your listeners as well. It's my contention that we maximize our health potential, when we align our lives more fully with God's design for spirit, mind and body. And of course, the body includes nutrition. And it sounds like your issues were mostly nutritionally based, because you adjusted what you ate, what you put inside your body, and your body responded in a very positive fashion. I think you're a living example of how important the physical side is and how important nutrition is to the physical.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 12:36
I'm going to add to that and say that once you take care of the physical, it frees up your mind to be able to pursue the spiritual if your body is so distracted, and so falling apart, that your focus is there all the time distracting you from other things. You can't raise your consciousness awareness into the spiritual world, because you're being bogged down by the physical.

David Sandstrom 13:03
That is an excellent point, Jackie. And I make that point in my book, the Christians guide to holistic health. If you read through the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and john, you see Jesus healing people of their infirmities and feeding them over and over, we see this happening. Why was he so focused on the physical? I think it's because of what you just said. Because when you're dealing with hunger or back pain, or migraine headaches, or you know, you name it fill in the blank, it's difficult to move into the mental emotional aspect, and the more important spiritual aspect of the human condition. So Jesus had a message for the world that was gonna save their souls. But he knew that if they were distracted with the physical, that's where their focus would be. They wouldn't be receptive to his more important spiritual message. And I think he just summed it up very well.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 13:48
Oh, thank you. That was absolutely fabulous. Here's another side of the story too, if I'm a big fan of Dr. Francis, who actually came out and said that all chronic conditions can be linked to three things, three categories, and nutritional deficiencies is the number, the one he has on the top of his list, followed by toxins followed by low grade infection. And so again, the reason we have essential macronutrients and micronutrients is because they are essential to the body's performance on the physical plane, which means that if you are lacking in something of those vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids or essential amino acids, your body is struggling to function and it's going to pull it from wherever it can get it just to get you through until the next dose comes in. But if you're chronically deficient, you're going to be looking at failures of pathways to health, being able to actually do their job.

David Sandstrom 14:54
Absolutely. One of the more important pathways is our detoxification pathways, and we use up micronutrients during the detox process. So your body if it doesn't have the raw material, it struggles with that detoxification, which is one of the three just mentioned.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 15:10
Perfect, absolutely perfect plus your energy production, the making of your hormones, we're talking about thyroid, we're talking about your sex hormones. We're talking about your neurotransmitters that are made from your microbiome in your gut, when you feed it the right things. I mean, it's the list is endless.

David Sandstrom 15:30
Yeah, that's really good. What can people do to help identify their nutritional deficiencies?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 15:37
Well, you know, there are plenty of things online. As far as you can look up nutritional deficiencies. I know I have quite a few graphics in my storage here on my computer and such, it gives you a list of foods. If you look up each of the essential nutrients, they'll give you a list of those foods, and it'll give you a list of symptoms or what they actually are involved in, or symptoms if you are lacking. It's quite a long list. So I can't really go into any particular details.

David Sandstrom 16:08
But yeah, yeah, that was perhaps an unfair question. It was so broad.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 16:14
Not unfair, but we can tell people you know, that they they need to do their research, they need to educate themselves. But a good multivitamin that is a whole food vitamin is going to be something vitamin minerals, that's going to be a start a good starting point. Yeah. And then making sure they're getting the essential fatty acids that are necessary. Again, eat fat, get thin, awesome book, fat for fuel, awesome book, we need fat in our diets. And we need omega threes is probably the ones that people are hearing the most about these days. And then there's things like other forms of fat they're finding are actually good for weight loss and such like that. Actually, again, eating fat actually helps you lose weight. Yes, it's important that people recognize that there is huge amounts of stuff in the essential macro and micro nutrients. Yes, a good starting point is to get a good whole food multivitamin on their list to start meeting those nutritional deficiencies. And they may be so deficit that it takes a good 60 to 90 days of taking a regular supplement to even just replete anything that has been depleted before they actually start functioning properly. Again,

David Sandstrom 17:31
Yeah, that's good advice. And I would add to that, get away from processed foods. One of the most foundational nutritional principles you can embrace is to eat food as close to its God given natural form as possible. single ingredient foods are best. The more man gets his hands on our food, the worse it is, for us. minimally processed. Food is close to its God given natural form. That's a great place to start. And good supplement regimen is also helpful, right?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 17:57
Well, let's get let's get a little even a little more in depth there. That was perfect. Thank you. I was just starting with the multivitamin to start and then go into go into dietary foods. What most people don't realize is that flour is highly processed salt, table salt is highly processed. Yes, it's missing all of the natural things that are found in real sea salt or real pink salt, flour. People think oh, I'm going to eat whole grain bread? No, that's still processed?

David Sandstrom 18:31
Absolutely.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 18:32
Oh, I'm going to eat whole wheat pasta. No, it's still processed. Yes, anything that you're buying already made is processed. If you really want to have these foods, your pastas and your breads and such, you have to go further back upstream to get the stuff that needs to be made. I make my own stuff out of actually taking almonds and grinding them into flour, or coconut flour, organic stuff, of course, organic you have to because the detox stuff needs to happen. You can get your own non-grain flowers and you can still make breads and things with on your own. So that's you know, if you feel like you have to have those things, there are alternatives out there that are available. That's I find the biggest problem or biggest thing I have with compliance with my clients is that they don't want to give up all this processed bread or process pasta and there are plenty of alternatives if you are willing to make your own so that you are staying closer to source but yes, part of our deficiencies, I believe is energetically in the foods that we eat. They are so depleted of God's energy as far as absorbing from the sun and the soil and having their life force. You have to eat foods that are fresh from like farmers markets and things so that they actually still have life source in them for you to be able to absorb that. That's another possible issue that many people may be not addressing.

David Sandstrom 20:10
Yeah, that's a really good point.

David Sandstrom 20:17
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David Sandstrom 23:18
I want to back up just a moment for something you just said was, I think really important, and that is people have a hard time getting rid of the grains. You know, if you have a sensitivity to gluten, you would probably benefit a great deal from eliminating grains. But people have a hard time they have basically they have gluten denial that they don't fit is too good if I get too much of a rush from eating that. But here's one of the things I like to tell people, you will feel better than that food tastes. Give it a week, see what happens when that ball starts rolling on your improvements to your health and well being your physical, your weight, your mental emotional conditions are all starts to be uplifted, then you become a lot more motivated for Well, you know what, maybe I can live without gluten.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 24:03
You know, and we can go even further than that as far as we could go into how wheat is produced in this country as far as being a hybrid so that it has a foreign gluten that our bodies don't recognize and it stimulates our immune system, right? We could go into the fact that they're actually using large amounts of pesticides to actually dehydrate and keep it from rotting as it sits in the grain Mills promoting it's high in mold. So you're looking at the pesticides that are actually I don't know if we could mention any names here, but what they're spraying it with actually is an antibiotic was actually patented originally as an antibiotic so it's going to kill off your microbiome, and then it's high in mold. So you're going to get mycotoxins that are going to flood your system. The actual gluten in there actually crosses the blood brain barrier and the inflammation with it that stimulates Your pleasure centers so that it's actually as addictive as sugar and can part it feeds the wrong things in your microbiome. So that you're actually it's sending signals to your brain craving more only does it stimulate the opioid centers in your brain. But it also, the bad bacteria and fungus in your gut that are eating it, are also sending out chemical signals to your brain telling you you need more, which is why so many people have so many cravings that they can't really explain why they have to have it, and how they feel when they eat it. But then they don't also recognize you know, how it's pulling them down until they remove it. You go through sugar withdrawals, that's part of the problem, the reason that people can't get very far. So there are other things you have to do to get over the sugar addiction.

David Sandstrom 25:53
Right? Well, I think what we're what we're getting into right now is, is the mental emotional component of eating this because eating has a strong emotional component to it, right? Absolutely. Well, if you have a goal, and we can identify the reasons why we want to recover our health, that helps a lot in motivating us towards towards that goal pulls us closer to it. If we get in touch with our why, then we can find our way, and we'll find our way to healthier eating habit pattern.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 26:23
That is beautiful. And you know, the funny thing my Why? I don't want to die.

David Sandstrom 26:31
That's a good place to start.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 26:32
field. I don't want to feel bad anymore. I want to feel as good as I feel now for the rest of my days. And so yes, you have to have a why. And I always go over that with my clients is why do you want to change? Why do you want to go on this journey, you have to have a strong enough why you have to write it down, put it on the fridge? Yep. So that every time you think about cheating, or you think about going back, you look at your why. And you say, I'm not going there. I don't want to be that person. And you actually, you know, I want to be able to play with my grandkids and my great grandkids, I want to be able to continue to hike, I want to be able to continue to play tennis or go on bike rides, or I want to be able to continue to have cognitive function. I don't want to decline like my parents did with Alzheimer's and whatever else or why you can come up with you know, I want to lose the weight and feel great, whatever, you know why you want because, yes, even a slight fall back into Well, you know, I feel great. Let's let's see what happens if I do this. And then you've undone months of work. And it's like no, you have to have a strong enough why that you will never go back once you start feeling good.

David Sandstrom 27:48
Absolutely. Amen. Sister that was that was well said, Oh, thank you. I'm thinking most young women when they're gonna get married. They have a Why have I would look good in my wedding dress. And they're able to lose some weight. Right? For the most part. I mean, they they can do it with they really want to,

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 28:06
right. So we have what they do in the process is they hurt themselves because they go on a low calorie diet. Yes, crashes their metabolism, they lose weight, a little bit of weight in the beginning to get there. But then they've crashed their metabolism and then they go back to eating and they start packing on the pounds and they don't know

David Sandstrom 28:23
Wich takes us right back to the bad sides from the American Dietetic Association. Yeah, so they're listening to the wrong sources of information.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 28:31
Exactly.

David Sandstrom 28:32
You just mentioned Jackie, something that I really want to dive into a bit. And that was Alzheimer's disease. One of the things that a lot of people are struggling with these days is insulin resistance. We've all heard of type one diabetes, where the pancreas is not producing insulin, so you need injections. And then type two diabetes is when you develop enough insulin resistance to where you can't control your blood sugar. Well, now the literature is pointing to a type three diabetes, which is where our brains are suffering from a type of insulin resistance. And I want to point the listeners to a study I found that was published in the Journal of diabetes science and technology. And here's what they said. Currently, there is a rapid growth in literature pointing toward insulin deficiency and insulin resistance as mediators of Alzheimer's disease type neurodegeneration. So could you speak a little bit to that? Because nutrition has a lot to do with that.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 29:29
Absolutely. And it's interesting because most people don't realize they're not looking at their bloodwork themselves. They're just letting the doctor tell them that they're normal. But again, my doctors kept telling me you're normal. You're normal. And I'm like, but my blood sugar's going up every year. There's something wrong here. There's something I need to address. There are different authors out there. I particularly like Dr. Perlmutter. He's fantastic. He's got a book out there, and he specializes in In the dementia, the type three diabetes, dementia, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, and what can be done to mediate that by changing your diet and your lifestyle and goes into a ketogenic type diet, as well as intermittent fasting, what are the proper optimal ranges of blood sugar so that people can know exactly where they are. Because if you're running over 90 on your fasting, blood glucose, you're already pushing that envelope that's going to push the insulin resistance and going to start crossing the blood brain barrier and cause issues there, too.

David Sandstrom 30:39
Yeah, I love Dr. Perlmutter. He's on my list of dream guests. I have a list of people I'd like to get on the show. And I'd love to have him on the show one day because he he is an incredible brain and incredible advocate for healthy lifestyle. He's, he's amazing.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 30:56
Yes, absolutely. He's one of my favorites as far as his book, as well as his approach and putting the research out there to show that it can actually make a dent in symptoms and progression by changing lifestyle and doing other things. And it's important, but people who want to prevent it, I know for myself, I do not want to live a declining health life. Right. And so it's it's very important for me to keep my blood sugar regulated. And of course, my diet and lifestyle changes have done that for me, I from being diabetic, I'm all the way back down into the 80s, which is considered optimal. And I'm still even after five years, I am still carbohydrate intolerant. That's in my DNA. Actually, that was the interesting part. I did a DNA program that did all my reports. And I found out that I have immune issues with gluten, I have immune issues with carbs actually stimulating my immune system making me carbohydrate intolerant by genetics, as well as finding out I have all these other issues around diet, I have other things I can't process, I have methylation pathway issues, I have to take extra amounts of CO q 10. Because I don't process it properly.

David Sandstrom 32:16
Let me interrupt you there getting into the the genetic component of this is probably a bit better, say for another whole podcast, because that's a pretty deep discussion. Yes, it's all individual. But let's say someone has moderate elevated fasting glucose, let's say they're in the 90 or 100 or 110 range, what can that person do to help basically nip it in the bud before it becomes problematic?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 32:41
Well, I'll refer to Harvard's diabetic center, who actually take people in for a period of time and regulate them with doctors and everything else who are using a ketogenic type diet to actually help people get their blood sugar back down, and get them off of their medications and everything else by using diet as an intervention diet alone as an intervention. On my program, I call the clean green keto, because there is dirty keto and then there's clean green keto. And with clean green keto, that means you're going to be getting like eight to 10 servings of vegetables a day with your low fat or low carb, as well as meeting all of your other nutritional needs. Because, again, the greens that are the vegetables are where all of the nutrients are. So of course that's going to help meet your nutritional deficiencies better than anything else has to be done though with the multivitamin, of course, to basically getting off the grains because grains turn into sugar. Sugar gets in your bloodstream causes your insulin to spike your blood sugar to spike, your insulin spike causes fat storage causes triglycerides, it's all connected. So by decreasing your intake of carbs decreases the amount of insulin required for you to be able to process any of your carbs, and therefore your body starts to adapt to being a fat burner. So that you can actually start losing weight and reducing your blood sugar and your body. Your liver will keep your blood sugar into a normal range by using glycogen storages and things like that. And it has the ability to actually transform your body does to transform other things into glucose if it needs to like amino acids and such until it adapts to burning fat as the primary fuel. That's the easiest way because basically, it's a blood sugar issue and a insulin resistance issue back to toxins because there are many steps involved in processing glucose into ATP, cell energy and the all those pathways take vitamins and minerals, and different cofactors to be able to process and so if your body is being bogged down by toxins that interfere with those pathways, then you now have an energy issue. So you're tired, your cells are starving. But yet you have all this sugar in there that's being turned into fat.

David Sandstrom 35:19
You mentioned a moment ago, Jackie, the book fat for fuel by Joe Mercola. And I've read that book. And I think it's an excellent book. And if someone wants to dive deeper into the science behind the mitochondria, and how our cells make energy, and what to do about it, that's an excellent read. It's not a light read. I mean, it's not bathroom reading, but it's an excellent book. But what I'd like to do for the purposes of our discussion today is sticking with the low hanging fruit. Let's get into some more of the specifics what like, for instance, what are some of the higher carb sources in most people's diets that they may not realize that or something is high in sugar?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 35:54
Well, obviously, the obvious things are going to be your breads and your pastas. But as far as your high carb vegetables go, you're looking at things like potatoes, you're looking at, again, rice is still a grain of the gluten grains, we're looking at wheat, rye, barley, oats, corn, and rice. So those are things that are all high in carbs, they're also have some form of gluten in them as well. Those are all things that are very high in carbohydrates that are sugar. But what some people don't realize when they're trying to get off of sugar is they don't realize again, you have to read the ingredient labels to look for it, you have to learn some of the names for different types of sugars, you can grab a jar of pasta sauce, and you can find sugar added to it. Most people don't realize even something like Gatorade has high fructose corn syrup, which has been proven to be toxic to the human body. But it again, it's corn syrup, it's syrup. It's sugar.

David Sandstrom 36:58
Not to mention the food coloring.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 37:00
Yeah, well, exactly. Plus other things. But anyway, but yeah, and people don't realize too, that juice is pretty much pure sugar, if you're doing any kind of fruit juice it and if you're doing too much fruit, I can't handle a banana that's got too much sugar in it. For me, it spikes my blood sugar, it's too much other types of fruits, mangoes, you can do berries, berries are considered a low sugar fruit. So our melons. So our citrus but not juice, citrus, but as far as because you're actually the fiber is attached to the sugar, and these fruits, so therefore your body digests them very slowly and doesn't absorb all of it because most of its fiber. So those are your best way to go there.

David Sandstrom 37:45
Yeah, you know, that gets back to eating food and it's in its natural form, we can eat an apple, maybe two. But to make a glass of apple juice, we'd probably have to juice eight or 10 apples. And we would never consume that many apples or oranges, for instance, in one sitting. So if we go back to healthy eating rule number one eat food as close to its God given natural form as possible, it will take care of a lot of issues. Another thing that you just mentioned, I'd like to hit again. And that is the fiber content and food will slow down the glucose spike, as well as fat and protein. If we include some fat and protein in that meal, it will slow down the rise in blood sugar levels. You know, when you go to a restaurant, what's the first thing they do? They give you a bowl of bread, people eating a super high carb source of food and they don't have anything in their stomachs. That's about the worst thing you can do. So if you had to have the bread, you're better off eating some protein first, and then adding the bread in later.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 38:41
Yeah, it was actually Dr. mercola, who suggested I did a nutrition profile with him and he said I definitely eat need to eat all of my protein at the beginning of my meals and save everything else for the end. Yeah, so that was his recommendation to me when I sought out his counsel.

David Sandstrom 39:01
Wow, did you go to his clinic?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 39:03
Um, no, it was an online questionnaire quiz, that you answered some questions and then he sent you back your profile for your for what is your nutritional type? Yeah. And that was the recommendations for the way that I answered the quiz.

David Sandstrom 39:19
Okay. So your eating plan, you call it the clean green keto, is that right?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 39:24
Yes.

David Sandstrom 39:25
So what's the difference between clean green keto and regular keto?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 39:29
Regular keto is a very broad term for a high fat, low carb diet. Which means that you could eat two pounds of bacon a day and consider that keto, but that's not balanced. That's not going to get you the nutrients you need to be healthy. That would be what I would call dirty keto because it's not giving you any clean sources of actual nutrient dense food. keto is not a high protein diet, people think that it means you're eating a lot of protein you're not, you're eating a lot of fat. But those fats come in farms that people will like, I think, because basically what I do is I make my own aoli sauce, or I make my own dressings and other types of sauces that I put all over my salads on all over my cooked veggies. Even on my meats, I cook in avocado oil, or olive oil, or coconut oil, and everything gets cooked in oil. So I'm getting that fat in my diet as well. People want to know they can go to Dr. mercola cronometer.com. And that's a place where you can put in everything you eat. And it will tell you what your macros and your micronutrients all the way down to the amino acids and all the way down to your salt intake, everything, every vitamin, every mineral, everything is in there. And it'll tell you how you're doing. And it'll make suggestions for what you need to change. I did it for like a week when I first started my journey. And I got to a point where I figured out exactly what I need to do to be able to meet that requirement every day. So that I no longer have to actually do it. But for about a week is all it takes to learn the difference. Oh, wow, I shouldn't have eaten that, Oh, this is perfect. Oh, this is good. Okay, now I know how much I need. So I know basically how much oils and things I need to get in a day to get my proper amounts of fats in and how many carbs I can eat in a day. And if I eat too many at one meal, then I have to cut back on another meal so that I keep my daily total in the range. For me, the ideal sweet spot seems to be about 75 grams of carbs a day, which is a little over what is normally considered keto. Some days I do more, some days I do last but 75 seems to be my sweet spot.

David Sandstrom 42:02
And I think that's a good way of putting it is each person is going to have their sweet spot, there's got to be some ranges. Everybody's an individual, so they have to do a little experimenting. You know, I've been to chronometer myself, and it looks like an excellent resource, I didn't have the time to sit down and really learn the program. But it looks like it's a great resource. Another one that I would offer the listeners is nutrition data.com. You if you want to learn something about a specific food, it gives you all the breakdown macro micronutrients and, and carbs and protein amino acids. It's broken down very, very well. It's actually put together by Web MD, which is medical source. But it's a really good source if you want to learn something about a specific food.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 42:40
Perfect.

David Sandstrom 42:41
So tell us a little bit about your book. I'm assuming some of your recipes are in your book.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 42:46
Well, actually, interestingly enough, the book was accumulation of about 15-20 years worth of research that I did, I went in and I started well, gosh, you know, I need to talk about diet, I need to talk about foods that actually help with different conditions. And so I need to talk about the nutritionals and the nutritional deficiencies that may be involved. So for example, if you go into my book, and you look up under the condition of constipation, I will give you a list of botanicals that you can take to help remedy that on a short term basis. Also give you foods that will help with that and also different nutritionals. For example, Dr. Osborn, one of my favorite people says that you can actually do a colon flush with high dose vitamin C. And there's a nice easy way without drugs without stimulants to actually clear out when you're having issues going to the bathroom. And of course, there are different types of enemas and things like that you can do which are also listed in there. But so I've taken each each condition I have over 60 in the book, and I've given you the nutritionals the botanicals and the foods that are possibly going to be could be used to help you in your situation. That's basically the book overall.

David Sandstrom 44:06
All right, very good. And the book is called heal thyself naturally. Where can people find your book?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 44:12
It's on amazon.com under that under that title,

David Sandstrom 44:15
Okay, very good. And then if someone wants to get ahold of you, personally, what's the best way to get ahold of you?

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 44:22
Okay, so my business is real Health Solutions. I have a website, real health, s o l n s, which is the abbreviation for solutions.com. I also have a real Health Solutions with Jackie Facebook page where there's a contact form in there as well. I also have on my website, a membership site for educational material with free information. Let's see, I'm on LinkedIn. I'm on Yelp. I'm on YouTube. I have a YouTube channel. Lots of lots of places. I'm everywhere.

David Sandstrom 44:58
Thank you so much for being here. We could we could Go on all afternoon.

Jacquie Nelson Walburn 45:01
Fabulous. I really enjoyed our time. And yeah, I could just go and go viewer. Fabulous.

David Sandstrom 45:06
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