by David Sandstrom 

April 26, 2021

In this episode, I talk with Sarah Spann, Nutrition Expert and Natural Health Coach about the importance of digestive health. Sarah shares just how crucial gut health is to our overall well-being and gives us some tips on how to repair and/or maintain optimum gut health.

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Show Notes


Today's Guest...

  • Sarah Spann, Natural Health Coach

Topics Discussed...w / Time Stamps

  • 1:33 - Introduction
  • 2:11 - Sarah's health problems start
  • 5:19 - Why there's so much conflicting advise regarding nutrition
  • 9:56 - Gut health is fundamental to overall health
  • 11:30 - Mental/emotional health and the gut
  • 15:28 - Earthing products promo
  • 18:28 - Antibiotics can destroy gut health
  • 22:18 - The gut is like a garden
  • 28:00 - The importance of de-stressing before meals
  • 34:11 - Human beings are energetic
  • 37:19 - For the skeptic on energetics
  • 368:41 - Where to find Sarah
  • 40:03 - Conclusion


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David Sandstrom 0:00
Here's a sample of what you'll hear on this episode of natural health matters.

Sarah Spann 0:04
It really all starts in the gut. It's, it's fascinating, and I think we're gonna see this more and more. And humans have known this for a very long time. You can see in our diets, things like fermented foods and all that kind of thing. They've been around for a long time. And now we're getting tangible evidence, you know, through modern science, and it's happening so rapidly. But we're seeing the benefits of this more and more and just how integral the tut is to the whole body system.

David Sandstrom 0:39
Welcome to the Natural Health Matters podcast where it's all about maximizing your health potential so that you can pursue the abundant life more effectively. I'm your host, David Sandstrom, naturopathic doctor and biblical health coach, and this is episode number 43.

David Sandstrom 1:01
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David Sandstrom 1:33
Today, we have Sarah span on the show. Sara's work allows her to fulfill what she's most passionate about, which is ultimately empowering people to be at their best health physically and emotionally, so they can thrive in their personal and professional lives. Sarah, welcome to natural health matters.

Sarah Spann 1:52
Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. It's my pleasure.

David Sandstrom 1:55
Thank you for being here. I appreciate you taking the time. So tell us a little bit about your journey. How did you get into how did you develop this passion, how to get into gut health and mental emotional health and counseling. So just tell us a little bit about your background story?

Sarah Spann 2:11
Yeah, sure. So for me, my health problems started when I was a teenager, I was very underweight, my stomach was a mess. I was always sick. I was getting sick as well calls employees a lot. I was exhausted all the time. And as I sort of got older to sort of 18 or 19 it got really bad. But no one could really figure out what was going on. I went to doctors, I tried different diets, I did all this stuff. And I was just getting sicker and sicker. So eventually, finally, when I was 23, a doctor screened me for celiac disease. And yeah, took took a while. And I had the you know, it came up positive. So I went and had the endoscopy, which is where they take a sample of your small intestine to confirm whether celiac disease exists. And it was there. And apparently, so celiac disease for people who don't know, it's it's when the protein gluten attacks the walls of the small intestine, which is your absorption center. And essentially what it does, the small intestine has its finger like sort of rely on it, which helps with absorption. And the protein gluten causes the body to attack itself and destroy those those finger like projections. And essentially it means you don't actually absorb anything from your food. So I was eating that I was getting nothing for a very long time, which explained why I was so sick.

David Sandstrom 3:39
Of course.

Sarah Spann 3:40
Yeah, yeah. So then from that it was actually a long recovery process, because there was a lot of gut healing and things like that to do, which I didn't know about in the beginning. And the gluten free diet helped a lot. But there was more to be done that not communicated straightaway is sort of find out these things as you go along. And this is what led me to study nutritional medicine. Essentially, I was trying to figure out how to heal. Yeah. And yeah, so through all that it's been it's been a long process. Since that time to understand that yes, there was diet and supplement things I needed to do and specific gut healing work. But along with that, there's a big emotional piece. emotional health significantly impacts gut health. And that was probably my biggest discovery. And that was when things all started to fall into place for me.

David Sandstrom 4:33
Well, that's interesting, because my story is a little similar. I don't although I don't have celiac. I had chronic Lyme disease. And when you have initial infection, if you get on the right antibiotic for a couple of weeks, you can knock that thing out in 2-3-4 weeks, but if it becomes chronic, it becomes much more difficult to get rid of. So I knew as a naturopathic doctor and certified nutritional counselor, I was going to need more than the traditional advice. So that's what I started researching on. what the spiritual component to health and the mental emotional component to health was, and that led me on an incredible journey. And I implemented those principles in my own life. And I beat the Lyme disease without antibiotics without any medical intervention whatsoever. So we're on the same page with this mental emotional connection for sure. It's really huge.

Sarah Spann 5:19

David Sandstrom 5:19
So you seem very passionate. I know, you've got some great testimonials on your website, I listened to a couple of them and people were just singing your praises. And I think that's great. You should be proud of yourself. Thank you. This is the question I have for you. There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice about gut health and nutrition. Can you explain why that is? Certainly, there's a lot of conflicting information because everyone's so different. So what diet might work wonders for one person, but it might make the other person entirely sick. And a good example of that is the keto diet, a ketogenic diet. So for one person, it might, they might feel amazing on it, or another person, it might give them diarrhea, and make them feel horrible, right. And it's because our bodies are so different, our guts are different, the balance of gut bacteria that we all have in our microbiome that's different. And it does come back to that emotional component as well. And so if someone is feeling very good, emotionally, through very strong, emotionally and energetically, and they, then they go on a healthy diet, it's much more likely to have a really good effect, whereas someone who's in a lot of emotional distress, and they go on a healthy diet, they will feel a bit better, of course, but they still won't feel good. Because there's this other piece. And so when I say we're all different, I do mean, like biochemically and in our genetic makeup, and all that kind of thing. But I also mean, we're all going through different things. We've had different paths. We've had different histories, we've got different belief systems, and all of this ties into how your body processes and digests and absorbs that food. How will you get the nutrients from that food? And how well the healing process is actually happening in the body as well?

David Sandstrom 7:09
Have you ever read the book the metabolic typing diet by Bill Walcott?

Sarah Spann 7:13

David Sandstrom 7:14
No? it kind of sounded like you had some of those phrases in there. But it's an excellent book on biochemical individuality, which is what you just talking about. And one of the things he mentions in there is a there was a Roman philosopher, who said his name is Lucretius. And he said, One man's food is another man's poison. And modern science is catching up with that. So yeah, hit the he was really onto something there, because the exact same nutrient can have a beneficial effect on one person have no effect on a second one, and have a detrimental effect on the third. And it's the same nutrient, but we have different people. And that explains why there's so much conflicting information out there regarding diet, because they should take 100 people and for instance, I was one of the things I mentioned in my book is, there was a study done on coffee. And one of the set of researchers said, well, coffee is pro inflammatory. And then another study came out just a few months later and said no, coffee is anti inflammatory. So how can they both be right? Well, the answer is biochemical individuality. They had different people in their studies, they could take the exact same process and duplicate it with a different set of people in the going to have different results. And, and that's that's biochemical individuality. People don't want to people don't really want to hear that they want to hear the Well, there's got to be a one size fits all, just tell me what it is. But it doesn't exist. We're all individuals, God created us all unique.

Sarah Spann 8:43
Yeah, that's so true. And, and that this is the thing, right? Because you can go and find research to support anything you want. If you want proof that coffees anti inflammatory, you'll find it. If you want proof, it's harmful, you'll find it. It all exists. It's all out there. And as you say, it's because of that biochemical individuality, because we're all different. And depending on who does the test, you know, who they do the trials on, who the actual researchers are, as well, because human bias does come into it a little bit as much as we can try and separate it. It makes it a little bit and your own bias based on what you're looking for. So it's really, yeah, it's very interesting.

David Sandstrom 9:26
Yeah, it can get complicated. That's why if you've got a serious health challenge, you're probably better off hiring a professional who's been down this road before with other people that can kind of guide you not not tell you what to do, but give you solid recommendations, give you a starting point, give you a way to start experimenting with foods and take it as a process a step at a time. That's usually the way it works. Absolutely. So Sarah, talk a little bit about how important gut health is to overall health and well being.

Sarah Spann 9:56
Well, it's pretty fundamental, really everything We're seeing that everything is coming back to the gut, chronic disease, you can like autoimmune disease, obesity, diabetes, thyroid problems, even menstrual problems and women, depression, anxiety, all of this is coming back to the gut, we're really seeing that the composition of our microbiome so the the makeup of the bacteria that live in the gut has a huge impact on biochemical processes in the body on how well you digest and absorb your food, on how much energy you store on your mood, on your emotions on his sleep. It's, it really all starts in the gut. It's, it's fascinating, and I think we're gonna see this more and more, and humans have known this for a very long time. You can see in our diets, things like fermented foods and all that kind of thing. They've been around for a long time. And now we're getting tangible evidence, you know, through modern science, and it's happening so rapidly. But we're seeing the benefits of this more and more, and just how integral the gut is to the whole body system.

David Sandstrom 11:10
Yeah, a lot of experts are calling the gut the second brain now, right? Because there's so many nerve endings and neural connections that are made in the gut that affect our physiology, but also our mental emotional component. There, they're calling the gut the second brain, which is kind of kind of weird, but it's really, there's a lot of truth there.

David Sandstrom 11:30
I'd like to talk a little bit about the connection between our mental emotional state and the gut health. We've all heard the phrase, I'm worried sick over this, you know, most of the time what people are referring to, is that something going on in their gut, you know, maybe it's IBS, you know, maybe it's diarrhea, maybe it's, you know, whatever. But maybe it's bloating. So it's very common. Could you speak to the emotional connection between the gut and our emotions?

Sarah Spann 11:59
Yes, absolutely. I love that. Yeah, you're right. People often say, I'm worried sick over this, or I feel sick when something emotional is happening, because you do you feel it in your gut, yeah, that kick in the gut sensation that sinking in the stomach. And as you say, it's due to all those nerve endings. And the gut has its own nervous system called the enteric nervous system. And essentially, that the gut in the brain are in constant communication by what's called the vagus nerve, which is a really long nerve that stems from the brain. And it is kind of like a highway connecting many pieces of the body to the brain, but in particular, for this conversation, the gut, and the information is going back and forth all the time. What happens when you feel upset, you often feel it in your gut first, and then it I mean, it's hard to say whether your brain registers first or you got registers at first, but either way, both of them feel it, right. So that's one piece. Now the other piece to this is, when you're stressed, when you're in a state of distress, your body goes into fight or flight mode, which essentially means it's preparing you to either run or fight. So it's going to shut down processes that aren't important to save your life at this time, such as digesting your food, making immune cells making reproductive hormones, that kind of thing. And it's going to focus the energy on what it believes you need right now, which is to stay alive. So it sends blood to your arms and legs to get you ready to run a fight. Your cognitive cognitive functioning slows down a little bit, which is why when you're stressed, you might find yourself forgetful and things like that, right. And from a gut perspective, your gut stops secreting digestive juices, it stops contracting. In fact, your body wants to get rid of food at this time, it doesn't want to absorb it, because it wants to make you lighter. So that's often why you might feel sick or get diarrhea, when you're upset.

David Sandstrom 13:56
You know, one of the things I'd like to tell people Sorry to interrupt, is I thought this is something I wanted to share. And that is a lot of people will say grace before their meal. And there actually is a really good health and wellness implications as a result of that. Because when you're in a grateful state, you have a very hard time being in that sympathetic jacked up state that you're talking about. So when you you get in a grateful state, that is the ideal condition where the parasympathetic nervous system will be dominant, and you secrete more digestive juices and your body is preparing itself for the meal by you getting in a mental state of gratefulness.

Sarah Spann 14:32
Yeah, and that's beautiful. I actually do that myself. And I encourage my clients to do it as well. If not grace, at least a gratitude practice before a meal. With just say it being grateful for the food that you're about to receive. And that's enough. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you could just be thankful for the fact that somebody grew this potato or somebody grew this. You name it, asparagus, and just be grateful for the fact that it's here and it's available.

David Sandstrom 15:01
Definitely. Yeah. So Sarah, one of the things that happens to a lot of people is when they go to the doctor, they have an infection. It is especially abusive when they just have a viral infection like a cold. And the doctor prescribes antibiotics. And a lot of doctors just, you know, relying on these things too heavily. So talk about the problems that that creates in our gut.

David Sandstrom 15:28
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David Sandstrom 18:18
And the doctor prescribes antibiotics. And a lot of doctors just, you know, relying on these things too heavily. So talk about the problems that that creates in our gut.

Sarah Spann 18:28
Sure. So essentially antibiotics, they kill bacteria, right, and your gut is full of bacteria. They don't discriminate, they're going to come in and they're going to kill maybe the bacteria they're looking for, but they're going to kill a whole bunch of good bacteria as well that you actually need to produce neurotransmitters like serotonin, which helps you mood and to digest and absorb your food and to keep these chemical processes in the body going. So what happens when you take antibiotics is it all gets wiped out? It's essentially it's kind of like a bomb hits, and they all just disappear. So the trouble with and I understand, you know, sometimes antibiotics are necessary to save lives. And that's a cause. Sure, but as you mentioned, there is this problem where we've got this overuse of antibiotics. So what's happening is our microbes are being wiped out. Every time that happens, you take antibiotics, leaving you more susceptible to become ill again, because you've got bacteria Also, while 70% of the immune system is is in the gut. And so by taking antibiotics, it impacts the ability of your immune system to kind of bounce back as well. So it's kind of there's there's a lot of flow on effects from doing it. So if you do have to take any biotics it's really important that you do do that gut recovery work afterwards, with probiotics, prebiotics, and you know ideally working with someone To help you rebuild that microbiome back up, and considering as well, whether it's necessary, as you say, antibiotics focus on bacteria, they don't do much for a virus, it's right bacterial infections that that they're good for. So if you have a virus, they're not going to do much in that sense.

David Sandstrom 20:20
You're absolutely right. So one of the things I'd like to add to that, Sarah is that antibiotics are indiscriminate, they kill all the bacteria. Well, we have a lot of beneficial bacteria in the gut. One of their functions is that they keep things like fungus in check. So when our good bacteria count is down after a course of antibiotics, the undesirable microscopic organisms such as fungus will have a heyday built there is no there's nothing to come after them and, and keep them from proliferating. And now we have a problem because we are gut dysbiosis. Right, where we have an imbalance in our systems. We need some fungus, but it gets overgrown after a course of antibiotics.

Sarah Spann 21:00
Yep, definitely. Because it takes up the empty space. Yeah. And it's the good bacteria have nothing to live off.

David Sandstrom 21:08
Right, right. Nature abhors a vacuum, something, something's gonna fill that space. Yeah. So let's say you, you know, you've got a problem. You took a bunch of antibiotics last year, or whatever it was. And now now you have digestive issues going on? What can you do about it?

Sarah Spann 21:26
Well, the, honestly, the best way forward is to really work with someone, because it's so hard to be objective when it's you. And in fact, I did have a client recently, where a few years ago, she had been on antibiotics for a couple of years, due to skin stuff. And ever since that time, she's had a lot of digestive problems. So with her, it was a lot about rebuilding her microbiome. And we did that by removing the foods she was reacting to feeding her gut with good healthy fiber, fibrous foods, giving her good probiotics based on her situation, using prebiotics as well to build up that fiber and give the good gut bacteria something to live off. And

David Sandstrom 22:11
I just wanted to interrupt and say, for those that don't know, most do, but for those that don't know, what is a probiotic?

Sarah Spann 22:18
Yeah, sorry, I was just going to go into that a bit more, I realized I was rambling there without explaining it. Okay. So I like to think of the God as a garden. And in there, you've got, you've got your flowers, you've got your wage, you've got bugs, and birds and all kinds of things that come to garden soil. And so if your soil is the base of the gut, the probiotic is like planting a flower, the flower being the bacteria directly in the gut. So you put you have your probiotics, you plant the flowers in the gut. Now the issue is if you think of a garden, when you plant flowers, you don't water them, the soil is not healthy. The flowers die, right? Yes. So the prebiotics are like the fertilizer, they come in and fertilize the soil, they water the flowers in a sense, and keep that population going. So that's that's kind of the difference between the two.

David Sandstrom 23:10
I love that metaphor because it really is an ecosystem down there, right? I mean, we have living organisms going on there living and dying to creating new cells, making neural connections, there's all kinds of things going on down there. It's a it's a living ecosystem. Sure is. Yeah, one of the things I like to do is, is eat fermented foods. You mentioned that a moment ago. And you know, before the before the invention of the refrigerator, people had to permit their foods they What if they grew the vegetables during the growing season, the only way they could make them less into the winter was to ferment them. So talk talk about that process. Do you do that yourself? The only fermenting I've done I've made sauerkraut a couple of times and I make yogurt a fair bit coconut yogurt, which I really love to make myself cool. Yeah, it's, it's, I can be a bit intimidating at first when you first do it, you're worried you're going to poison yourself.

David Sandstrom 24:04

Sarah Spann 24:07
But then, once once you do it, it's it's the there's so many benefits of fermenting your own food because you have so much more bacteria available to you. You have the fact that it's fresh, you've done it right then it hasn't been you know, kept on a supermarket under bright lights. And there's something really fun and grounding about doing it yourself as well. Yeah, and yes, so many benefits.

David Sandstrom 24:36
Absolutely. You know, I've heard I've heard from eating my vegetables for years and I love doing it. I have this basically it looks like a crock pot. I forget the name of it but I'll put it in the show links to the to the show. And it has a water seal on the top. So when you put your vegetables inside, you feel this it looks like a moat around the top of the of the pot and you fill that with water then you put the lid on so that as the bacteria multiply it creates gas and the bubbles will escape through the water you hear bubbles coming out but the lid keeps a watertight seal and therefore dramatically decreases the chances of you having a bad batch you know if you do it right so you have to have a culture starter what do you use with a with a for a culture starter when you do your fermentation

Sarah Spann 25:22
so with the yogurt i actually use it's actually a product called provide for them and it's it's a fermented food supplement that it acts really well at it ferments very quickly essentially so when i make your ago i only need to leave it out while it's hot here so but i only need to leave it out for about 48 hours and then it's done and so yeah that's quite a good product that provided for my does add two tablespoons of that to my my yogurt and my yougurt base and it's fermented very quickly it's very good at eating up the excess sugar as well and yeah that's what i use

David Sandstrom 26:00
Excellent i used to use a company called here and you're in australia right yeah yeah well part

Sarah Spann 26:08
Brisbane is on the east side in queensland.

David Sandstrom 26:11
Oh cool very cool well here in the states there was a company called body ecology diet and they used to have a great culture started but i can't find it anymore i don't know why so what i what i do is i'll take a quart of plain whole fat yogurt and i'll put some cheese gloss over the top of a bowl and pour the yogurt into that cheesecloth and overnight the the whey will separate into the bowl and the solids will remain in the cheesecloth and you basically have cream cheese in what's left on the cheesecloth and you have the liquid whey which is loaded with the beneficial bacteria so i use that as a starter for my vegetables and i'll make a brine and one of these days i'll probably do a whole podcast episode on this and make a brine mix the vegetables in you know fresh cabbage or onions or peppers or whatever i feel like a daikon radishes is a great one to put in there maybe some habanero peppers are jalapenos because the the intenseness of the of the pepper or the onions calms down with the fermentation process and it adds some great flavor so i let it sit on the counter for about three or four days then i put it in mason jars and they'll last in the fridge for six months or more

Sarah Spann 27:25

David Sandstrom 27:26
Yeah and i they're a great side dish i have them with almost every meal you can eat them with grains you can eat them with with meat you can eat with vegetables they just go excellent side dish with almost anything.

Sarah Spann 27:38
Fantastic might have to get into that.

David Sandstrom 27:41
Yeah i'll i'll put a link to that to the to the crock pot that i use i forget what it's actually called but i'll put a link to that in the show notes right so let's get back for a moment before we wrap things up what are some of the ways people can reduce their mental emotional stress that will benefit their gut health

Sarah Spann 28:00
Yes now the gratitude or grace practice before a meal is a fantastic one being present with your food is the number one way i feel to have a quick impact on reducing the impact of stress on digestion and the reason for that is because when you're in the present you can't focus on what's stressing you because you're too busy being focused in the moment and focusing on the meal so taking your time to chew your food and really breathing and being with your meal and i know this is difficult and your mind especially when you first start doing it your mind's probably going to want to wander away and the practice is just coming back and as a starting point being present with your meal i think is a fantastic way to reduce the amount of discomfort you have after a meal the amount of bloating the amount of cramping because the foods actually being digested and instead of fermenting in the colon so that's a really great way and then i guess the more holistic and broad away or some of the ways i stress management generally so working on keeping your body it's not that you can't ever go into fight or fight state that sort of person sympathetic state but doing a practice daily to bring yourself back into that parasympathetic rest and digest state whether that's yoga meditation walking listening to music reading whatever it is it's about prevention rather than cure and bringing mindfulness practice into every day and i think having a look at what's stressing you out as well so understanding where the stress in your life is really coming from and getting to know about yourself a bit in an in a non judgmental way and bringing some more compassion to yourself and all that kind of thing watching where you're judging yourself and seeing if you can be a little more compassionate instead.

David Sandstrom 30:04
I love it. That is all great advice. I think what you're trying to say I'm just gonna try to summarize what you just said is that is, be more mindful. Take a moment before you eat, assessing where you're at emotionally. And if you have something stressful, you know, see if you can't just put it aside for you don't have to solve all your problems before you eat. But can you put that aside for a few minutes? I think one of the things that helps with that is to sit down with family and eat together. You know, have a conversation, get the focus off of yourself and your problems in on to someone else. ask them some questions about how their day went, or what's going on in their life that can do wonders, to reducing your stress level and your like, we're talking about that fight or flight sympathetic dominance, which is detrimental to digestion, nutrient absorption and health in general. And then of course, one of the things that I can't I can't let this go without saying this is the Bible has some advice on what to meditate on. And meditation is a great practice. But I would contend that when we meditate on the Word of God, it's has the most benefit. And that one of the verses I love is Proverbs, chapter four, verse 20, through 22, my son give attention to my words, incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your sight, keep them in the midst of your heart, for they are life to those who find them, and health to all their body. I like to read that first before he now read it frequently throughout the day once in a while, because I just need I need to get grounded once the while and that principle

Sarah Spann 31:41
That's beautiful. And I agree. I do believe that. We all need some kind of faith practice, whatever it is, it's very individual. But it's very hard to go through life in fear and distrusting and believing you're on your own and feeling like everything is just coming down on you and not being able to see a way out. I think that faith is one of the strongest ways to help, especially in those times where you do feel alone, knowing that you're not ever truly alone is was it certainly helped me a lot.

David Sandstrom 32:20
That's absolutely Me too, knowing that God is out there. He's sovereign, he's in control. We don't have to be in control of all this, we just fooling ourselves if we think we can be. And we can just turn things over and say, You know what, I'm going to, I'm going to let God handle that, you know, and I'm going to let God handle this political crisis, I'm going to let God handle the earthquake in that distant land that I can powerless to do anything about, you know, just offered up to him and, and live our lives the best we can. There's there's some great advice there for enjoying more internal peace, when we when we can practice that on a regular basis. Yes, internal peace is beautiful.

Sarah Spann 33:01
I guess just back on the meditation just to add, if anyone's feeling overwhelmed with meditation, honestly, all you need to do is set a timer for five minutes and just focus on your breathing as a starting point. That's Yeah, that's all you need to do. That's meditating.

David Sandstrom 33:15
You could do that. And that's definitely a step in the right direction. I would add, you know, meditate on some meaningful verse, or meaningful piece of some some wisdom literature that might, you know, be meaningful to you. Yeah, you know, we can we can all find those things online, it's pretty easy to find them these days, if you're looking.

Sarah Spann 33:34
Definitely, definitely.

David Sandstrom 33:36
Alright, Sarah. Well, is there anything else you wanted to cover?

Sarah Spann 33:39
I just like to say, health is never a one track process. Health is a culmination of a lot of things. Because we are human, we have physical, emotional, energetic, and beyond bodies. And health is about looking at all those pieces of ourselves and remembering that we're whole, and addressing us as a whole, rather than trying to caught us into piece by piece. And I think that's what helps all about.

David Sandstrom 34:11
I'm glad you mentioned energetic, you know, it's my contention that we are spirit, we have a mind. And we live in a body. And there is a interconnected relationship between the three components to a human being and part of that interconnectedness. And the interdependence is energetic. So can you speak to that for just a minute?

Sarah Spann 34:31
I might actually refer to the research, there's a lot of research being done by heartmath Institute, and they're sort of into energy fields. And the they're saying that humans do have an energetic field around us and I mean, we can we can feel this and other people, right. You can pick up vibes on other people and and all that kind of thing. You feel their energy. Absolutely. Yeah. And I guess from an energetic perspective, as much as you know, your cells are all your cells are spinning all the time, they're doing these processes all the time, they're creating energy, your heart's beating, your skin shedding and regrow, your hair is growing, your nails are growing, I think of energy as the force behind all that. Yes, you don't think about it, you're not doing it. There's something else some other intelligence that's, that's driving all that. And that means that we do have an energy body. And so part of the work in health is keeping that clear, keeping it healed, keeping it balanced. And you know, there's so many ways to do that. But I think recognizing that yours is there and starting to learn about it, I think is a big part in health.

David Sandstrom 35:46
Yeah, I very much agree with that. You said a moment ago that each human being has their own energy. And that's, that's true. My wife likes to watch football, if I were a huge football fan, we'd have some great weekends. But my wife watches more football than I do. But football has been very, very different this season. With close to empty stands or empty stands, when you're lacking those people in the stands, there's something missing, you can tell. So they add sounds on the TV broadcast to make it sound like this some people in the stands, but there isn't. And you could tell there's something missing. You know, when when, when the broadcaster is down there, the commentator of before the big game before the Superbowl, let's say in the stadium is full of 80 90,000 people and he says the the feeling on the field is all electric, you can feel the energy down here, they really mean that it's true. When you take that energy that each person has time to buy 90,000, you can literally feel that energy.

Sarah Spann 36:46
Yeah, and that's probably important, given the current sort of pandemic that the world's in it, because as much as you can feel that electric energy, you also feel the energy of fear

David Sandstrom 36:58

Sarah Spann 36:58
So I really, yes, I really believe that if we all tend to our own energy, and, you know, focus on our fear and transforming it and transforming it into trust, that radiates out, just as fear radiates outside as love. And and that's a big part of health too.

David Sandstrom 37:19
Absolutely. I want to make one more point before we wrap it up in for people that are skeptical about the energetic component. Here's what I like to say to them is, if two people were having a heated argument in a room, and you didn't hear anything, and you open the door and walked in in a moment of silence, would you be able to tell there was something wrong? Would you be able to tell they were arguing?

Sarah Spann 37:45
And you're nodding your head? Yes. And most people will say, absolutely. I could tell. Well, if they weren't talking, how do you know, you can feel it because that that heated argument will create an energy in the room that we can actually sense. And it's my contention that we should, you know, not that we're going to understand all this. We're a long way from understanding it all. But we should be aware of it and try to create an environment, like, as you said, where we're sharing more love than we are stress with other people. And it'll come back to us. I think it's a it's a huge point, but it's a little hard to get a handle on.

Sarah Spann 38:22
Oh, yeah. And and I think that might be part of it as well letting go of trying to understand it.

David Sandstrom 38:28
Yeah, yeah. People want to know it all. Maybe well, we can try but I don't think this isde of heaven. We're gonna understand it all. How can people get ahold of you?

Sarah Spann 38:41
Yep. So the best way to get in touch with me and said to my website, which is Sarah So S A R A H S P A And there can learn all about me, I've got a free download to help you get started. in your gut health journey. You can also find me on Facebook, Sarah span, I do have a Facebook group called mindful medicine. And that's where we work on bringing that mindfulness we've been talking about into everyday life. So that's that's a lot of fun in that great. Yeah. And you can also, there's also my book Mind, the Gut, which goes into a lot of what we spoke about today, that holistic component to health, healing your gut from all angles, and there's a lot of activities and sort of step by step processes for you to actually implement as you go. So that's that's a wonderful book, if you're looking to if you've got any sort of digestive issues. That's that's a wonderful book to help you move through. Excellent. And yeah, and I'm also on YouTube as the gut kitchen and we've got some delicious gut friendly recipes if that's what you're interested in.

David Sandstrom 39:49
All right. Very good. You're in a lot of places. A lot of pans on the fire.

Sarah Spann 39:53
Yeah. I'm around

David Sandstrom 39:55
It's great. All right, Sarah Well, thank you so much for being here. I appreciate your time. It's great meeting you.

Sarah Spann 40:00
Yeah, I need to thank you so much.

David Sandstrom 40:03
Well, I hope you enjoyed that episode with Sarah Span. She brought a lot of really great information on gut health and gut health is so foundational to all of what we do in our health wellness journey. If you enjoyed this episode, and you feel like you got something out of it, I would appreciate it if you'd share it with your friends. Go to my website, David, and this is episode number 43. And on the show notes page, I have some social media share links that you could share with your friends. Please don't forget, this episode was brought to you by earthing grounding products. If you'd like to start cooperating more fully with God's design for your body and start enjoying all the health benefits of being grounded with the earth on a regular basis, go to my website,, forward slash resources, and click on the earthing logo and see what a difference getting grounded with the earth can make in your vitality. Please know this, I won't put anything on my recommended resources page that I haven't thoroughly researched 100% believe in and I use personally, you can express your appreciation for the show by using my affiliate links on the resources page to make a purchase. You won't pay any more in my affiliate partners share a small commission with me. For more go to in the show notes for each episode, you'll find links to all the resources that were mentioned, as well as a full transcript with timestamps that you can download for free. In addition, I always include a content upgrade with each show, which is a free download that is designed to help you go deeper with that subject. Once again, thank you for listening, and I'll talk with you next week. Be blessed

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David Sandstrom

I am a follower of Jesus Christ, a Naturopathic Doctor, and a Biblical Health Coach. I am also an Airline Captain for a major airline based out of Atlanta, Ga. I've been helping people maximize their health potential by nurturing their body, mind, and spirit since 2005.

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